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Opinion Piece On Military Orders against Pregnancy

Posted by Fleet News Service on April 13, 2008

The following has recently appeared in the news with the below title.  It should be made clear that it is an opinion piece from one of our concerned readers.  It doesn’t represent the feelings of this paper / the government / the military.  It has caused much discussion and heated opinions.  It should also be noted that a public discussion of this order will follow in the future. ((Check for notices and comments in the OOC Forum))

Thank you.

Ms. Pink, The News-Review

Commander Syakumi Hates Children and Hetrosexual Women

It has come to Fleet News that Commander Onyx Syakumi, has made a demand of all female pilots.

Her lastest command decision is repeated below:

“It is the responsibility of every man and woman aboard this ship to provide unerring vigilance and protection to the civilian fleet. To that end, we must take measures to ensure that our strength is not eroded from within by basic human urges.

Effective now, all active personnel will be expected to submit to an injected hormonal contraception as a part of military service. There are no exemptions. Instances of maternity or paternity in the future will result in a mandatory separation from the service.”

I urge all females in the fleet to rise up in protest to this, Support this by laying down and doing nothing.

Pilots do not fly, Medical staff do not help wounded.

I ask for an immediate recinding of this order which is illegal, immoral, and well beyond her authority as a “commander”

So SAY we ALL

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52 Responses to “Opinion Piece On Military Orders against Pregnancy”

  1. Bethany Siemens said

    I am not a lab rat. I refuse to submit to what is a fundamental breach of human rights on the order of one person under cover of authority.

    I would not normally support a strike by the military, in view of a constant threat, but though there are enemies without, I will also stand against enemies within.

    If I am forced, I will take this to the Quorum. Let’s see what the civilian authorities has to say.

  2. LT Yevka Laws said

    I was shocked by both the order and the article.

    For pilots to refuse to fight the cylon is immoral as is refusing to treat the wounded.

    If pilots refuse to fight, I will get back in the cockpit of a Viper, grounded and pregnant as I am to protect my people.

    It should be noted that this order was posted some minutes after I was grounded from all flight, even non-combat by Dr.Bailey in the presence of Commander Syakumi.

    I believe it is a civilian matter to decide if the military has such authority over soldiers such as myself.

    It should be pointed out that I became pregnant not by plan but by accident. My conduct was coerced. For legal reasons I can not go beyond this explanation. I did not choose this fate. I would much rather be flying and fighting with my squadron mates.

    That being said, I understand that my situation has drastically reduced my squadron readiness, even though physically I feel capable of combat flight at this time.

    We must also understand that our population as a species has declined from some 20 billion to under 100,000 and is declining rapidly. When I found I was pregnant it was so late in the process that it would have been dangerous to terminate. That being said, I decided based on actuarial predictions that my child, a girl was a strategic asset for the survival of the species. Further since she is a girl, I decided to name her Heidi after Colonel Stiglitz our late CAG

    I believe the order was the wrong way to accomplish a valid command goal.

    My pregnancy and that of others have seriously harmed combat effectiveness and readiness. It has in fact endangered the fleet, even though I had no choice.

    Commander Syakumi wants to improve combat effectiveness, a very important goal. I do not believe that Commander Syakumi has anything against children. It is to her a matter of combat readiness.

    It is the means and method she has chosen that I can not agree with.

    Our colonies have upheld the principle of a womans control of her body for thousands of years. Women have had families and remained in the military for decades since the first cylon war.

    While the current situation is unique we must tread carefully to continue to distinguish ourselves morally from our enemies. Survival is not enough. We have to deserve to survive.

    I intend to continue my service in the Colonial military. I have made day care arrangements for my child and will as soon as I am able soar though the skies in defense of our people.

    I do not believe this order will stand the legal test necessary to remain in force after the completion of my pregnancy.

    My intention is that I shall comply with the directive against pregnancy with a course of abstinence.

    I will if need by fly a viper today to replace any pilot that refuses to fly. I will treat any wounded that come in to the best of my limited abilities.

    To take as this article suggests an immoral stance to fight what it perceives to be an immoral order is not acceptable.

    I urge all members of the military to continue to do their jobs and to take their protests against this order to the appropriate civilian authority.

    Lieutenant Yevka Laws
    Senior Pilot
    8th Squadron
    47th Air Wing
    Battlestar Pacifica

  3. G. GIsaku said

    I applaud the commander’s decision. It’s about time action was taken to control those members of the military that don’t have enough SELF DISCIPLINE to control themselves. This is a military vessel at WAR, not a frakking nursery.

  4. Demitri Congrejo said

    im not picking sides but i would like to add the fact that men also had to get shots to make…their ….”little white soldiers” inneffective and unable to cause pregnancy

    again…i am not picking sides just stating facts

  5. Adm. Nephilim said

    While the continuation of our species is a noble cause, procreation is best handled by civilians who are better equipped for home making. A soldiers life is to provide the continuation of the species in another way. Protection of lives that exist so that they may procreate in the future. This attack on Commander Syakumi is a cowardly, ignorant and uninformed one: just what we can come to expect from those who oppose military rulings and regulations, historically. I fully support the Commander’s decision to preserve readiness as she consulted me first. Any military personell who resist the order will be dealt with harshly and swiftly and with finality.

    Fleet Admiral A. Nephilim
    Colonial Fleet Command

  6. Bethany Siemens said

    Alright. Then let’s play it your way. This is a military vessel. Let’s make sure it never becomes a nursery. Since you all (I am refusing) have just been effectively sterilized, let’s close all the loopholes.

    Married couples on board should be made to divorce or leave active service. Marriage could lead to children.

    Dating and “fraternization” should also be banned. Dating could lead to sex, which could end up with children. It could also end up in Marriage, which could lead to children. So let’s lock down the ship, and make sure military personnel never come in contact with the civilians they’re dying to protect. Gods forbid nature should take it’s course.

    To make things fair, even same-sex dating should be banned. I’m sure someone somewhere would be adversely affected.

    And, when the closed population of Pacifica dwindles due to death on duty, who will you recruit? People with children? Can’t do that. Single people? Sure, this is making life look really peachy. “You will fight and possibly die, but be alone all your short little life, never allowed to be a human being.” Any volunteers for poster child?

    Call it incitement to mutiny or just one loudmouth Lt. making a comment, but according to regulations, I am required to obey the lawful orders of my superiors. This is NOT lawful. This is illegal, immoral, offensive, and totally against any religious beliefs I may or may not hold.

    I refuse this “hormonal contraception”, and I will not give up my career without a fight. Ground me, courts-martial me, but if push comes to shove I will take this to court. I will take it to the Quorum. Unless Commander Syukami has broken all manner of laws, there is still civilian control of the military, and I will be heard, and this will cease.

    I am a human being, and I will be treated as such. Tickle us, do we not laugh? Prick us, do we not bleed? *Wrong us, shall we not revenge*

  7. Bethany Siemens said

    I hate to say it Admiral, but the Articles of Colonization and Colonial Fleet Regulations are not on your side here.

  8. fleetnewsservice said

    Fleet Admiral A. Nephilim

    This ruling is IN HUMAN, NO army in any form in the colonial history ever has done this.
    Expalin to me how we are getting the medication to take care of 5000, 10000, people to take contraceptives?? Where do so many contraceptives come from, anyway????
    you and your Commander are going to be the death of the Human race.
    Both MALE and FEMALES
    what do you or ONYX care you will never know the JOY of having children.
    Leave The People who want to have children alone.

    We are living in a Fleet where We are ruled by Lesbians who do not care about the future of the human race only the present situation.

    You are the one who has no clue Admiral.

    But you and your Wife control the fleet so we Hetrosexuals will never stand a chance

  9. Sue McCullough said

    Just a simple question about this: Has ANYONE said that this contraception was PERMANANT? IF this shot only lasts, say 3-6 months or even if it lasts for a year, then what the hell difference does it make?

  10. Concerned Soldier said

    This is wrong, Period. If we are to survive as a species we need to look to the future and even us hard working men and women need to do their part to bring back the human race.

    This ship lost family during the attacks, and it is our freedom to marry, and have children. It isn’t fair, nor right to get rid of all the pregnant women from this ship when they are capable of doing a job and doing their part.

    Granted, if they are a viper jock, or raptor pilot it stops you for 9 months, but again they shouldn’t loose their right to continue their jobs after pregnancy.

    Commander, you have all eyes on you right now.

  11. Adm. Nephilim said

    The call to military service is just that. A calling. It involves whatever we must do to preserve our people. If it is too much to accept this small burden to safegard humanity so there is a future for children, then those of you dissenting must re-examine why you took your oaths. We are here to preserve democracy, not practice it.

    I also must state this is not a civil matter, this is a matter of regulation and orders, by definition not legislatable. This is a matter of readiness as our resources are stretched thin. It also, is not a sexual preference issue. Attacks on Commander Syakumi and on myself and my partner are again cowardly and ignorant attempts to create an issue here where none exists. The order stands. Dissenters will face summary Court Martial and discharge.

    FAdm. Nephilim
    Fleet Cmd. HQ.

  12. Pvt Damian McBride said

    As a soldier, I understand that certain freedoms are sacrificed so that the greater good can be accomplished. I am a Colonial Marine. As such I am Colonial property that is deemed expendable in the name of safeguarding the fleet from boarding operations and other intrest the fleet might need of my services. I am not part of a Democracy. even though I am an individual, I gave up my individuality upon joining the service and placed those above me to decide what I wear, where I sleep, what job I perform and who I must kill. To expound on this ideology, if the commander deems that I am not allowed to father children, then it is for a good reason. We have too many military personnel down that are unable to perform their sworn duties because they couldn’t control their urges. This is in light of a rise in the number of Cylons ranks (you have only started to see them attack in pairs and by three’s).

    So in short, This order IS just. This order IS warranted and the commander has every right to have it enforced. You are given a choice. Take the contraceptive or get dismissed from service.

  13. Dr. Andi Whiteberry said

    I think it is best if we all take a deep breath here.

    First, the attack on Commander Syakuma is not only wrong, it is journalistically unethical. One does not use what should be the objective bully pulpit of the “news” to write hateful opinion. The author should be made to sit through Journalism 101 again and his/her press credentials should be revoked until the lesson between “news” and “opinion” is learned.

    Next, my husband and I were quite unsettled to hear this: he is military, I am civilian, so this should not apply to us or to our dear friends, Anax and Shaheen. But both Sniper and Anax used proper channels to address their concerns: they spoke to the commander. They did not disseminate hate speech against her.

    I can understand the commander’s frustration and concern over the recent increase in pregnancy among the military. Are pregnant women “disabled”? I think not. Should they be in combat? I believe it is unwise. So do these pregnancies put the whole fleet at risk? Without a doubt. Our military is all that stands between us and total annihilation.

    Where does that leave us?

    There is enough birth control to serve this purpose – male and female, shots and implants, are readily synthesized in the lab.

    I am not sure how this should be handled – it is up to the military to determine. But perhaps it is time for this question to be debated opening by our quorum – with the input from the citizens.

    Personal sacrifice is sometimes called for in these extraordinary times. While it is a very difficult thing for me to talk about, I will share with you a decision my beloved Sniper and I made before we were married. We will not have children so we can devote our energy and time to keeping the people in our fleet healthy and capable of fighting for us all.

    Perhaps if others could stand back and take a good look at what their duty is to the survival of the human race, the commander would not feel the need to address this issue the way she did.

    Respectfully,
    Leandrah Whiteberry-Schridde, MD

  14. Go for it said

    Following the Admirals and Commanders orders

    Anax and Sniper will be delt with as wells as Laws, Zack and any other “military” persons.

    Lets see the heads ROLL

  15. Zack Soderstrom said

    ((Go for it, so funny buddy.

    Come closer, I want to see your head roll. >.>))

  16. Rhys Nieuport said

    Command attempting to force short term sterility over an undetermined extended period of time called War Time aside; it is dehumanizing for Command to take it upon themselves to state that a person under their command cannot choose to start a family. This is what things boil down to.

    I personally spoke with the Commander and asked if this was an issue of pregnant pilots/marines unable to fulfill their duties for a set number of months or if it was an issue of pilots/marines starting families. The Commander stated that she was addressing both.

    In the Commanders own words she does not want her combat oriented resources to form psychological bonds that could interfere with their duties.

    The Commander, in all respect, will never accomplish her goal of ceasing psychological bonds between people whether there is a child involved or not. This is futile goal of the Commanders and I urge her to re-evaluate why she is pursuing this chosen order.

    I will not stand and be de-humanized by Command. I have volunteered my body to shield this fleet but I have rights as a citizen of this fleet and I will not subject my body or mind to the intent of this order.

  17. Bethany Siemens said

    The Admiral says: “The call to military service is just that. A calling. It involves whatever we must do to preserve our people. If it is too much to accept this small burden to safegard humanity so there is a future for children, then those of you dissenting must re-examine why you took your oaths. We are here to preserve democracy, not practice it.”

    “Whatever we must do…” must include a line drawn somewhere to preserve our humanity. History, you’ll find, is also repleat with people who did “whatever they had to do to preserve” their people, their culture, whatever. Others were “just following orders.” Some of these things have been called “war crimes.” All I am saying is that forced contraception…forced medication of any kind, is a line that must be drawn and not crossed. To do so would set a dangerous precedent. What would be next? Chemical castration? Tubal ligation? Implants?

    The Admiral says this is not a civil matter, this is a matter of regulation and orders, and by definition not legislatable. I disagree. The Articles of Colonization provide that the military is clearly subordinate to the civilian authority of the President and the Quorum of Twelve. Violation of human rights is an issue not seperated by any military code. Nor does that code override the basic human rights set forth in the articles, nor does it give military commanders the right to do this, even in time of war. Exceeding military authority is cause for court martial and removal by the civilian authorities.

    I, for reasons obvious to anyone who knows me, would be first to condemn any attacks on peoples sexual orientations. This is not what this controversy is about. It is about is military readiness and the many ways it can be improved. If this is the best way it can be done under Commander Syakumi’s command, then I can only surmise this is a last resort. Whether it is or is not it is still morally offensive.

    Strong, purposeful leadership by example which should be shown by all levels of command. Surely that will correct the serious readiness problems. As much as I am loathe to point fingers, the fact we have a Marine with no flight training in command of a Battlestar is a serious problem in and of itself. However, she is there, and that’s not likely to change.

    Be that as it may, the subject at hand is forced, hormonal contraception. Not at all necessary for the survival of our people, the readiness of our forces, or the operation of this fleet. It is unnecessary, immoral, and I flat out refuse. Those in charge will obviously do what they feel is necessary but I will not go quietly into that good night.

  18. Capt. Anax Barbosa said

    I have kept silent on this matter until now.

    Upon receiving the orders I requested clarification on whether the orders applied to military members who are already married, as did Chief Surgeon Schridde. I have not received a response to my request.

    To automatically assume I am willing to follow this order shows the person threatening me and the other married members of the Military is as ignorant as they are stupid. Children are valued above all in Virgon Society, as they are the future of our colony as well as the Fleet.

    Do not presume that I am willing to sacrifice the opportunity to continue my family in order to further my military career. I come from a long line of military officers, many of whom were more than willing to walk away from their careers when faced with orders they deemed unlawful under the Colonial Code of Military Conduct. I have no problems in laying my career down and finding other ways to serve the fleet if faced with that situation.

    But to you who say that Lt. Soderstrom, Dr. Schridde, Lt. Laws and Myself are part of the problem and will be dealt with, be warned now. We are all highly-trained members of the military. That makes us deadly weapons in our own rights. You wish to threaten us, do so at your own risk.

    I’ve engaged Centurions hell-bent on destroying the fleet and survived, as have Lts. Laws and Soderstrom, who have many times taken down Raiders harassing the fleet. We have the scars to show our shared sacrifice already for this fleet and humanity, Where are yours?

    Captain Anax Barbosa
    Senior Watch Officer
    Battlestar Pacifica

  19. Just Someone Else said

    “The Admiral says this is not a civil matter, this is a matter of regulation and orders, and by definition not legislatable. I disagree. The Articles of Colonization provide that the military is clearly subordinate to the civilian authority of the President and the Quorum of Twelve. Violation of human rights is an issue not seperated by any military code. Nor does that code override the basic human rights set forth in the articles, nor does it give military commanders the right to do this, even in time of war. Exceeding military authority is cause for court martial and removal by the civilian authorities.”

    Take that attitude, walk up to your Commander or Admiral, and tell her that she is a fraktard. Exercise your guaranteed right to freedom of speech. Then come back and tell us what happened. If you haven’t realized by now that you surrendered your guaranteed rights when you joined the military, as soldiers have done for thousands of frakking years, then maybe you should have thought a little longer before signing on the dotted line.

    Just Someone Else

  20. LT Y. Laws said

    I was born to a religious family. Old Kobol was spoken in the home. Contraception was not. We had a large family.

    It is perfectly possible to comply with the regulation against children with abstinence. Somewhat more effective than birth control, which is not 100% effective. Somewhat more moral as well.

    Lieutenant Yevka Laws
    Senior Pilot
    8th Squadron
    47th Air Wing
    Battlestar Pacifica

  21. Capt. A.Christensen said

    I’m not here to play the baby game, Im a military officer and a pilot. If I wanted to raise kids I wouldn’t have signed up – there are 1000 times more people in the fleet who can raise kids than do my job.

    People against this seem happy to play the numbers game and talk about our need to propagate the species in order to survive.
    That’s fine, I’ll play a numbers game too
    when it comes to available pilots – a pregnancy within my sqn = 1 pilot out for over 6 months. If not more.
    Lets say there are 50 pilots – that’s 1 for every 1000 civilians in the fleet.
    So one pilot off duty = 1000 more people for the other pilots to cover.

    There are 50,000 approx civilians, 300-400 or so military personnel. Simple mathematics to ANYONE says that the civilians are the future of Mankind – The Military are their means to GIVE them that chance.
    WE are supposed to be protecting the people and getting them TO Earth – we have 1 military ship and approx 190 full of civilians – let them play Adam and Eve – many of the countless thousands have more time on their hands than anyone serving on the battlestar.

    IF when we find somewhere safe and permanent to settle, well we can rethink our priorities. Until that day comes, I’ll be on the flight deck.

  22. Bethany Siemens said

    “Just someone else” – you miss the point entirely.

    First, if I asked for permission to speak freely and it were granted, I WOULD exercise free speech.

    Second, if you read the post, and you didn’t or you wouldn’t have said what you did, you’d know it isn’t about pregnancy or contraception. It’s forcibly injecting drugs, on the pretense of maintaining readiness. I can think of a dozen ways other than that to maintain readiness. So far no one’s asked.

  23. Corporal Nichollas Courtois said

    I’d just like to go on the record as saying: “If the chicks wanna run around playing house then they can do it as a civvie…We’re soldiers and we should behave as such. I see nothing wrong with the Commander’s orders, but I do have a problem with some crybaby columnist trying to incite a protest among our ranks…Thank god our female pilots and doctors have more sense. If certain people knew how to take care of business the Commander wouldn’t have been put in the situation in the first place.

    Upon being inducted into the military I fully agreed to become the property of the marines…Some of us have the dedication in them and others don’t. If following the Commander’s simple order is too much for you then maybe military life isn’t your bag.”

  24. Rhys Nieuport said

    This is not an issue about ‘chicks who wanna play house’ Corporal Courtois but rather about Command stating that you cannot perform your duties as a soldier and decide that you also like a girl and want to start a family. Being a husband or father will in no way impair you as a soldier, history can attest to this, but Command is stating it will and that you do not have the right to be both a Father/Husband and a Soldier.

    Obviously this situation is slightly different for a female due to physical constraints for a certain period of time if a pregnancy were involved but Command has dictated that even if no pregnancy were involved they do not wish combat military forces to be married or attached in such a way.

  25. Pvt Damian McBride said

    Its easy to see how unethical things are when you are against them. If you serve as a Colinal soldier, be it a pilot, marine, crewman or deckhand, you have taken it upon yourself to provide one duty and one duty only. You are the protectors of the fleet. How do you expect to perform that duty if you are with child?

    Do you think a Cylon raider will wait and understand if a pilot cannot launch because she is 7 months pregnant? No, It will attempt to destroy the Pacifica and any other ship in its proximity. Think that Centurion is going to hold its fire when a child (unborn or not) is in the picture? No, it won’t. So then why would you let your guard down? Why would you allow yourself to make the fleet vulnerable because you are unable to serve in the duty you have sworn to perform? The Commander made this order because those as individuals failed to practice abstinence in the first place. The Individual obviously cannot be trusted to control such urges. So the order was give to eliminate the flaws of the individual mind. The Commander has one duty. That is to maintain the ship’s combat readiness. If you cannot perform your sworn duty, she fails in hers. A ship is like dominoes. If one fails, we all fail.

    If you are Military and you feel this is unjust, approach the proper chain of command for a request of Dismisal from Service. What is unethical is the attacks against the Admiral and the Commander. We call it mutiny and Mutineers get shot in a time of War.

  26. Citizen said

    Let us all call for the immediate demotion of Commander Syakumi before she is able to put any of her plans into action.

  27. Corporal Nichollas Courtois said

    I was stating my opinion NEUPORT or how ever your name is spelled and I have that right so dont single me out, but since you have I am a soldier and a husband but upon joining the military I made sacrifices and like it or not as a soldier you might be dead tomorrow then where does that leave your wife and your child…The Commander didnt take any rights from me that I didnt freely give when I joined the military. And I can personally give a crap about female physical constraints as long as she can pull my ass out of the fire when I need it or hold her own in a gunbattle I’m good. Now go back to frolicking in the flowers or whatever you were doing.

  28. Citizen living on the 7th said

    Corporal Nichollas

    Please Understand you Being a Husband will not be allowed to have a family as long as you are in the Military if you read the admiral’s statement as well as the Commanders.
    IT is not singling out Male or Females with “families” it is applied across the board.

    AND NO ONE NOT EVEN THE MILITARY has the right to say one can not have a family.
    Unless we are Run by the Military I hope president Halberd will remove her Wife and the Commander from Command.
    Or Have them BOTH issue an apology to ALL for this statement.

    IF she does not then i hope we as citizens will Impeach her for her lack of CARE and Humanity.

  29. Just Someone Else said

    “First, if I asked for permission to speak freely and it were granted, I WOULD exercise free speech.”

    If you can’t see the blatant hypocrisy in that statement, then you really need some help. Permission to use your rights? If you have to have permission to practice your rights, then they aren’t really rights, are they?

    “Second, if you read the post, and you didn’t or you wouldn’t have said what you did, you’d know it isn’t about pregnancy or contraception. It’s forcibly injecting drugs, on the pretense of maintaining readiness. I can think of a dozen ways other than that to maintain readiness. So far no one’s asked.”

    And yet you willing received your innoculations when you entered the service, as required by regulations, and you continue to do so up through this point, again, as required by regulations. Again, blatant hypocrisy.

    Just Someone Else

  30. Captain Shaula "Bad Fluffy" Isidis said

    “And yet you willing received your innoculations when you entered the service, as required by regulations, and you continue to do so up through this point, again, as required by regulations. Again, blatant hypocrisy.” -Just Someone Else

    Precisely. Military service has always required things like innoculations, and this is no different. If this were a government forcing this order upon a civilian population, I would agree that it’s a violation of rights, but in the military, many of you are forgetting key issues:

    1. You obey the chain of command, even if you disagree. We’ve had instances in the past of people who disagree with an order, steal a ship and go do whatever the frak they want to, and end up making the situation worse. The military is a weapon, meant to obey and not question, that’s how it’s more effective than bureaucratic red tape.

    2. We simply can’t have expectant mothers and babies running around on Pacifica. Can you imagine trying to raise your newborn in a Squadron dorm, or leaving them home alone in a tiny cabin? Asking another pilot to look after the kid when you get called on to fly CAP? Taking your child down to the mess hall for breakfast? That’s ridiculous and puts the entire fleet at risk, all because you couldn’t control yourself.
    The only acceptable solution is to either not get pregnant, or give up the child for adoption in the civilian fleet once it’s born and save your career… and by saving your career and defending the fleet, also means saving what’s left of humanity. It’s a sacrifice, yes, but anyone who volunteers for the military should be prepared to make sacrifices.

    And as the order says… If you’re not prepared to make this sacrifice, you will be separated from the military. I say it’s about time we separated the chaff from the wheat, and let them go back to civilian life.
    WE ARE AT WAR. If you cannot make the hard call in this instance, if you want to make babies or disobey the chain of command for no reason other than fighting for rights that you signed away when you joined up, then you don’t need to be here anymore.

  31. Datan Lanzet, Citizen said

    First off, the threats back and forth are not only improper, but are bordering on Criminal Threats at some point, and in general facing an external enemy people should be more careful. They should also thing and leave their hormones out of it (no pun intended).

    I am no fan of the erosion of civlian control of the military or the policy, however, I will post the issues so that people can comment or think about what their options are.

    If you want to challenge this order or law, the proper way to do it is through legal channels and not through threats or counter threats or veiled “what ifs.” Violence serves our enemy. It does not strengthen anyones cause.

    The Gods gave us law to settle our disputes, they gave us civilization to insure that our debates are settled with our wits and not our lack thereof. There are channels to act.

    The legal issues here are complex but it boils down to this. Soldiers who take the oath give up a great deal of their rights. In fact, the ability to order a soldier to engage the enemy, to be told to take shots against potential bioweapons (where there is precedent) or an Article 15 (destruction of govt property) for a sunburn (also happens) are just a few examples of where the military soldier gives up rights. Quite simple, soldiers are an instrument of government policy as surely as a Viper. The Articles are quite clear on the priority of Colonial Security, and recent action by this and other Commanders have certainily born that preference for security based policy out.

    In other words, you do not have the right to refuse a lawful order that is given to further the defense of the Fleet. You are soldiers, it comes with the uniform, you gave up a large chunk of your rights to become instruments of government policy. That’s a legal fact.

    THE FLIP SIDE

    The question then is – is the order lawful? That is a more complicated issue. The right to procreate is a protected right, a “core right” according to our laws. The other side of that is the military’s right, through the chain of command, to make policies in what are the best interest of everyone involved.

    This is an Articles of COlonization issue at its core. The question presented is “Is a core right surrendered when one enlists for military service?”

    The answer is yes. The right to free speech is immediately surrendered, for example. So the better question is under what circumstances those rights can be surrendered. Is a full surrender automatic, or do circumstances play a role?

    The answer, again, is yes. There must be a showing of a compelling state interest in order to circumvent a core right. This is the highest level of judicial scrutiny.

    The problem is, of course, that Colonial Security is a compelling state interest. The fact that we are engaged in a conflict (I refuse to call it a war, I think the war is over) for survival supercharges that compelling state interest.

    SO WHAT IS THE ANSWER DATAN?

    There is none, that is the debate. It appears the policy is justified, but there may also be alternatives. The strict scrutiny test is not a “carte blanche” if there are reasonable alternatives available to achieve the same goal, then the policy may not withstand scrutiny. This is where the debate should be, what are alternatives that a reasonable person might adopt that make the need for the shots not needed?

    Perhaps people should propose alternatives, bring them to the attention of the chain of command, and exercise good judgment. This problem did not occur in a vacuum.

    Lastly, We have a quorum who can address these issues through legislation. They can override military authority with laws (a fact we seem to have forgotten, military command authority is not without supervision, no matter what people think). We also have the ability to challenge these policies through litigation.

    There are alternatives, but the legal grounding of the Commander’s policy is strong in theory.

    Feel free to talk to me about this piece if you wish. I hope this finds everyone positive.

    So say we all,

    Datan Lanzet
    Concerned Citizen.

    DISCLAIMER: The following opinions are for educational purposes only, they do not reflect any legal conclusion or a policy statement of the Colonial Government. They are offered for the purposes of debate and reflection and do not constitute any creation of attorney client privilege. They are my opinions only.

  32. Bethany Siemens said

    “If you can’t see the blatant hypocrisy in that statement, then you really need some help. Permission to use your rights? If you have to have permission to practice your rights, then they aren’t really rights, are they?”

    I have freedom of speech, does that mean I’m free to yell “fire!” in a crowded cinema? If the door was opened by a superior officer to speak freely, then I’d not waste a syllable if I intended to speak my mind. There’s a time and a place. It’s not hypocracy at all. It’s timing.

    “And yet you willing received your innoculations when you entered the service, as required by regulations, and you continue to do so up through this point, again, as required by regulations. Again, blatant hypocrisy.”

    Innoculations prevent the spread of disease. Necessary in an enclosed space like a Battlestar, with an atmosphere that never changes, which causes the immune system to be more vulnerable than on a planet. Contraception is not an innoculation. It is not necessary to protect lives or health. In this case it is, in fact, screwing with human body chemistry. That’s not hypocracy, that’s knowing the difference.

    Everyone seems hung up on the pregnancy thing and that is NOT what this is about! How many cases of pregnancy are there on Pacifica? ONE? TWO? It is not some rampant disease. It is not about what is necessary to the survival of the crew. And it certainly isn’t me saying I think everyone should go have children. It is about being forced, against my will, to take a drug solely because someone wants me to, for no valid medical reason, or be imprisoned.

    You all can take this shot, this pill or whatever, and I hope none of you suffer any ill effects as I’m sure you’ve all been tested for reactions. I will not.

    One lawyer says “…the legal grounding of the Commander’s policy is strong in theory.”

    The order has no validity. It is unnecessary, illegal under the Articles of Colonization, common Colonial law AND military law, not to mention morally offensive.

    I’ve been shot, shot down, shot at. I’ve rescued pilots a total of 32 times and will continue to do so under any conditions. I’ve fought off cylons on TQ, evacuated Marines from Poseidon including our current Commander, and if called on to do so again, would not think twice. But I will not be drugged for the sake of someone’s reputation. If you want to increase readiness, you train pilots and marines to be ready. If you do not know how, you assign someone who does. You dont resort to drugging your crew because of one case of pregnancy.

    I joined the Fleet to preserve humanity. I will not sacrifice my own doing it.

  33. Datan Lanzet, Citizen said

    As I said before, I neither argree with the policy, nor other things, but that does not matter in terms of the law.

    One Lt. says

    <>>

    There is not argument here it is a conclusion. I wrote an extensive piece on both your rights in the military (read you gave most of them up), and the standard of law that applies.

    I also gave you alternatives, and a way to debate the policy that is both legal and within your rights.

    Whether it is necessary or not is not your decision, that is the Commander’s decision. You may propose alternatives that may make the order less able to pass legal muster, but tat is another issue.

    Whether it is legal is a CONCLUSION not an argument. You declare it is so, but make no legal argument, under any standard of law, as to why that argument is true. I have very plainly articulated the legal argument in my piece. You cannot make it illegal by simply saying it is, that is an unfortunate fact.

    The Commander’s order has very strong groundings under the Articles of Colonization, from which common law AND military law gain their authority.

    Your innoculation argument feeds that authority. It is exactly the close confines of a Battlestar, the effects of war, and the cumulative effects on the judgments of military personnel that the Commander is reacting to in this matter. One reacts to prevent disease, the other to prevent something that similarly hamstrings readiness. The action is driven by an intended result, and in that matter is a “compelling state interest” under the law.

    You are free to decline your commission at any time under the law, to continue to serve is a choice, where you subject yourself to military authority. Not everyone has that right. You do. That is also the law.

    Think of what alternatives might be resorted to if the government thinks that we lack pilots and marines to fight off attacks. Your shot may at that point be the least of your worries.

    There are legal ways to oppose such actions, avail yourself of them. I suggest beginning with your Quorom representative.

    So say we all,

    Datan Lanzet
    Citizen

    DISCLAIMER: The following opinions are for educational purposes only, they do not reflect any legal conclusion or a policy statement of the Colonial Government. They are offered for the purposes of debate and reflection and do not constitute any creation of attorney client privilege. They are my opinions only.

  34. Datan Lanzet, Citizen said

    Here is the quote.. sorry… I frakked up

    One lawyer says “…the legal grounding of the Commander’s policy is strong in theory.”

    The order has no validity. It is unnecessary, illegal under the Articles of Colonization, common Colonial law AND military law, not to mention morally offensive.
    ———————————-

    sorry Lt.

  35. Pvt Damian McBride said

    Mr. Datan,

    “The order has no validity. It is unnecessary, illegal under the Articles of Colonization, common Colonial law AND military law, not to mention morally offensive.”

    1. The order has validity as my superior’s orders ARE law.

    2. It is necessary as we have a number of personnel inactive due to pregnancies which is severely limiting our potential strength.

    3. Show me where in the Articles of Colonization where Military law states that such a law is “morally offensive”.

    I am more than certain that such an order will not be covered well in said documentation. Let me put things into perspective for everyone. We are like a colony of Ant’s led by a Queen so to speak. In this case, our Queen is President. We have Drones, they are called Civilians who maintain the constant supply of the fleet. They provide food, fuel and yes, even handle the care of the next generation. We have soldiers. their soul purpose in life is to protect the hive. They DO NOT mate. They DO NOT hunt or gather food. The are bread for one purpose and that is to fight. Now, while we are human and by far more intelligent, we are also limited to the 190 ships in the fleet much like a colony of ants. its their world. its all they know. Thus, its all we know. We are no longer twelve colonies anymore. we are one large gang on the run from an enemy that does not eat, sleep or is easily defeated. Our best defense is most effective if we can maintain full strength of our armed forces. If we fail to do that, a weakness is exploited and people die. Not sure if many of you looked around lately but we are all that is left.

    Now I personally would like to settle down with a wife and crank out a couple kids, but for now, My job IS my family. regardless if I like the order or not, I swore to obey my superior officer. An order to receive an injection is not unlawful. Firing on peaceful unarmed civilians, now that is unlawful. Know where to draw the line.

    As for the argument that the Military does not have the right to determine that soldiers can’t have families, I have only this to say: A soldier will not be a soldier forever. And the pacifica is not the only ship in the fleet. there are far more humans in the fleet capable if giving birth and providing better living conditions for a child. A military ship is not designed to be a playground.

  36. Datan Lanzet, Citizen said

    Hey Damian, you should read closer, I was quoting someone else.. Ileft out the quote, I put it in because I left it out (I typed in bad hyperlinked stuff.

    Lt. Siemens said…

    The order has no validity. It is unnecessary, illegal under the Articles of Colonization, common Colonial law AND military law, not to mention morally offensive.

    I said….

    One lawyer says “…the legal grounding of the Commander’s policy is strong in theory.”

    ———————-

    Just making sure you got who said what straight, scroll up a bit and you’ll see.

    ((Hey the Enterprise had kids!))

  37. Former Viper Jock said

    Those who are saying that preventing members of the Military from having kids is being unethical… I got some words of my own for you to chew over.

    I’ve got 5 kids under my care. Do you know where their parents are? Well… it seems that they decided to have kids during a time of War and are no longer here. So now I’ve got to play Mommy to 5 children who never knew their parents.

    As for the females when they’re pregnant and flying up there, say what happens when a Cylon Raider takes out the Viper the girl is flying in? You’ve now got 2 dead instead of one.

    I happen to agree with the Commander. Better to ban relationships period rather than have them getting a free ride on the Battlestar since they can’t fight. I for one can’t care for any more kids on my Rations.

  38. Adm. Nephilim said

    ((Enterprise was also a Generation ship of sorts, which a Battlestar is not 😛 and besides, when they met the Borg, Dominion, etc they stopped that..take the Sovereign Class Enterprise for example 😛 ))

  39. Datan Lanzet, Citizen said

    ((TREKKIE… TREKKIE ALERT!!!!! Don’t make me squirt a Tachyon burst at you to reveal your true inner alliance to the Positronic Do-hicky on the Warp bubble… I will tractor you out of your resonance frequency by remodulating the shields.

    Oh yeah, the Sovereign Class was cool 😉 ))

  40. Argo "Scorpion" Blanco said

    When the war was early started i met a girl on the 7th Heaven, we made “knowledge of each other” and after a bit she said to me she was pregnat. Two Twins. I was astonished at that time cause i didn’t expect that and after some months the girl left me, saying we never seen each other, that i was always on duty and so on. So she disappeared, somewhere in the fleet. Never seen her again. I remeber well what i said to her when she left me “I’m always on duty cause my job is to defend the fleet”.
    I prefer so, to don’t know my childs then think one day them will wait uselessly for me, died in a battle. They’ll find surely a better father then me.
    Dr. Bailey already gave me the contrapcetive, i don’t see the problem, it isn’t a definitive thing, almost a contrapcetive shoudln’t be, and if the decision is taken by the Commander it’s for the well being of the fleet.
    The attack on the News is incredible, what should we do if the pilots don’t fly and so on? will we let the toasters destroy our fleet?
    I expect all the pilots of the Hearthbreakers continue to fly and do theirs duty.

    Captain Argo Blanco.
    Commander 13th vipers squadron.

    ((anyway things like this happen also in RL military armies))

  41. LT Yevka Laws said

    The admiral and commander have stated that the order is law and will be enforced.

    Not so.

    They have further said that this is not a civilian matter and the Military has authority in this matter.

    Again not so.

    Datan Lanzet our esteemed special prosecutor has made clear the following:

    1) We are not under marital law.
    2) We have a quorum that has the power to supervise the military and nullify these orders.

    That sounded an awful lot like a legal opinion to me.

    The next step is to convene the quorum of twelve with a simple question. Is this order lawful or not. If the quorum decides that the order is not lawful then the following issue will happen:

    After a quorum ruling against this regulation, enforcement of this regulation will become illegal and continuing to enforce the order will be a violation of lawful civilian orders and a punishable offense.

    Clearly issuing an order so broad and beyond the boundaries of the CCMC and the Articles of Colonization was ill advised without first going to the quorum.

    However the order was issues in good faith, with no ill will towards anyone.

    The proper course at this time is to suspend enforcement of the order and go to the quorum of twelve with the order and a request that it be endorsed and made part of the laws of the colonies.

    If the Admiral and commander are unwilling to do this, then the quorum must take it upon itself to deliberate and debate the matter.

    Clear resolution is required. The quorum must either endorse the order and make it law, or issue a clear mandate prohibiting the military from enforcing this regulation.

    I repeat for history that my pregnancy was not by choice. My conduct was coerced, and I had not choice. The condition was discovered too late for safe termination.

    I want to fly combat with my squadron mates, and that has been my desire from the start. I did not plan nor desire to “play” house.

    Any and all snide references about this are sexist and beneath contempt. They violate the CCMC and should be dealt with.

    We have a long tradition since the attacks of expressing opinions on these electronic pages. I have not advocated nor promised insubordination. Anyone that does should be dealt with.

    I find it amazing that Private McBride preaches blind obedience when he traveled the void between LT JG and private by punching then Major Syakumi.

    Bad Fluffy should just heal. You have shown adequate loyalty to your Mistress, who has made you a Captain in the Marines and now its time to let her fight her own battle.

    🙂

    Lieutenant Yevka Laws
    Senior Pilot
    8th Squadron
    47th Air Wing
    Battlestar Pacifica

  42. heidi17 said

    “((Enterprise was also a Generation ship of sorts, which a Battlestar is not and besides, when they met the Borg, Dominion, etc they stopped that..take the Sovereign Class Enterprise for example ))”

    ((This statement has no basis in fact. While there were no children shown aboard the Enterprise-E in any of those gawds awful movies, there were plenty of TNG episodes in which children were also not seen. This does not mean the children were not there; it simply means we didn’t see them.))

    Heidi of the Dead

  43. Shaula `Bad Fluffy` Isidis said

    “Bad Fluffy should just heal. You have shown adequate loyalty to your Mistress, who has made you a Captain in the Marines and now its time to let her fight her own battle.” – Yevka

    Excuse me? My previous communications were a broad opinion on this issue that I chose to share, not directed at you, and yet you have retaliated with something personally offending to my integrity. You publically slander me that I am in my current position not based upon merit, but solely by association with the Commander. Much like your dislike of the Commander stems from your dislike of the CAG, you now extend that to anyone else who supports the Commander and thereby supports this order. Your ad hominems are unnecessary for discussing the issue at hand on this public venue.

    Secondly, while I’m sure many of the Marines can vouch for the capabilities of myself and my unit in battle, I am not a Marine. Next time, before you decide to personally attack someone, get your facts straight. That information was in the Colonial Military Restructuring pamphlet that went out over a week ago, Lieutenant.

    Thirdly, hypocrisy is unbecoming. Before you insinuate that the Commander cannot “fight her own battle” and needs my help, which is far from the truth I might add and I was merely voicing my own opinion as I have the right to do, perhaps you should call off your own guarddog, Lt. Siemens, who most people know repeatedly jumps into the fire to defend your frak-ups.

  44. yevkalaws said

    First let me begin by saying this:

    I do not dislike the CAG. Do not mistake my affection for her predecessor as anything but that.

    I watched with interest as in the space of 9 RP weeks a Squadron XO was elevated first to Squadron CO and then to CAG. During the process I was removed from my position without cause or valid FITREP. That showed in my opinion bad judgment and a lack of respect for military procedures.

    What review process got Major Mechanique the job, I do not know, I was not privy to the process. I am relatively sure that the longstanding CO of the 13th Squadron was not considered for the position.

    What did Mechanique do to earn the position? I do not know. Has she performed the job functions with competency. I say yes. Again, only an opinion.

    Now to parse your accusations, line by line.

    You say:
    >>>
    Thirdly, hypocrisy is unbecoming. Before you insinuate that the Commander cannot “fight her own battle” and needs my help, which is far from the truth I might add and I was merely voicing my own opinion as I have the right to do, perhaps you should call off your own guarddog, Lt. Siemens, who most people know repeatedly jumps into the fire to defend your frak-ups.
    <<>>
    Secondly, while I’m sure many of the Marines can vouch for the capabilities of myself and my unit in battle, I am not a Marine. Next time, before you decide to personally attack someone, get your facts straight. That information was in the Colonial Military Restructuring pamphlet that went out over a week ago, Lieutenant.
    <<<
    As I understand it OPSEC has been merged with the Marines. Your rank is listed as Captain. The details of the ground forces do not concern me very much.

    I have provided your forces covering fire from a Viper, and transport and SAR services from a Raptor.

    You seem competent at your job, though intellectually you are dishonest and do not back your slander with facts.

    I believe your allegations have been dealt with.

    I say again. I can defend myself. If you have a problem with me or my conduct, I suggest you submit a report to the proper command authority. I’m sure they will find it interesting.

    If you are going to take on the role of attack dog, either on your own behalf or in service of others, the least you could do is find some facts.

    Document a single frak up.

    I’ve put my life on the line for YOU and this fleet.

    I’ve even participated in a few ground assaults in my day. I don’t need YOU to tell me whether I have the chops for my job. My record speaks for itself.

    I have 2,000 landings in a viper.

    You want to take me on. I say this Fluffy.

    BRING IT ON.

    Lieutenant Yevka Laws
    Longest serving 8th Squadron Pilot
    47th Air Wing
    Battlestar Pacifica

  45. Shaula `Bad Fluffy` Isidis said

    “…though intellectually you are dishonest and do not back your slander with facts. I believe your allegations have been dealt with. I say again. I can defend myself. If you have a problem with me or my conduct, I suggest you submit a report to the proper command authority. I’m sure they will find it interesting. If you are going to take on the role of attack dog, either on your own behalf or in service of others, the least you could do is find some facts.”

    As I said previously, my initial communications were with sole regard to the issue at hand here, the order of mandatory injections. I was not addressing you, until you decided to attack me for supporting my superior officer and state that I was only in my current position by friendship and association rather than merit. You tell me to back MY slander with facts, but what “allegations” of mine are you even referring to? What have I done, other than defend myself against baseless accusations against my integrity and honor in the Colonial Fleet?

    “I don’t need YOU to tell me whether I have the chops for my job.” By all means, point out where I have done so, Lieutenant. I have not made any personal attacks against you or in relation to your career, merely pointed out the hypocrisy of certain statements that painted me in a negative light and to correct you on my billet.

    For having the nerve to state my opinion as others do, you tell me to HEEL and that I take on the role of attack dog… simply because I agree with my Commander. As the public is my witness that I did nothing deserving of your unprovoked attack on me, other than plainly speak my beliefs on a controversial subject. Perhaps in the wake of believing the mandatory injection order to be unlawful, you’ve forgotten all military protocol entirely, such as disrespecting a superior officer. You’re beginning to spiral out of control, Lieutenant, and I wonder if you’ll be able to successfully land this wreck. I hear you have a FITREP coming up.

  46. Major Dree Mechanique said

    “I watched with interest as in the space of 9 RP weeks a Squadron XO was elevated first to Squadron CO and then to CAG. During the process I was removed from my position without cause or valid FITREP. That showed in my opinion bad judgment and a lack of respect for military procedures.”

    You are free to hold whatever opinion you so desire, Lieutenant, however, if I can offer a small bit of advice: it’s in your best interests to keep them to yourself. Accusing a superior officer of having bad judgment and lack of respect for military procedures is, in itself, highly disrespectful and unbecoming.

    “What review process got Major Mechanique the job, I do not know, I was not privy to the process. I am relatively sure that the longstanding CO of the 13th Squadron was not considered for the position.”

    You’re damn right you weren’t privy to the process; why would you be? Do not be so quick to assume you know anything about the selection process for the job. You’re making insinuations about things you know absolutely nothing about, Lieutenant. Once again, very unbecoming.

    “You seem competent at your job, though intellectually you are dishonest and do not back your slander with facts.”

    Your behaviour toward Captain Isidis is patently embarrassing, Lieutenant. During these last three months, one of the developments I’d expected to see from you was better respect for your superiors. Clearly, there has been no improvement in that regard. This will not go unnoticed.

    Major D. Mechanique
    Commander, Air Group

  47. yevkalaws said

    Well Major Mechanique I appreciate your advice.

    I have great respect for my superiors, you included.

    I have worked very well over the past few months with all my superior officers.

    Captain Isidis launched an unprovoked attack on my record in a public forum. I responded in defense, demanding that facts be presented to document the allegation of my “frak ups”

    Clearly Major Mechanique you are ignoring Captain Isidis’ inappropriate behavior on these very pages.

    Yet you focus on me, merely for defending myself. I shall not ignore this fact, and I will continue to defend myself against any and all allegations.

    I repeat.

    No complaints were ever filed with the previous CAG against my work as squadron XO. No transfer requests were filed.

    Now to deal with your words directly.

    You say
    …..
    Your behaviour toward Captain Isidis is patently embarrassing, Lieutenant. During these last three months, one of the developments I’d expected to see from you was better respect for your superiors. Clearly, there has been no improvement in that regard. This will not go unnoticed.
    ….

    I have compiled an excellent work record over the past three months. I have fulfilled my job responsibilities
    to the satisfaction of my CO. I have accepted input from her and changed my practices to adapt to her command.

    I have conducted myself with honor and am fully prepared to defend myself against the allegations that you and the Captain have made.

    What qualifies Captain Isidis to evaluate my performance. Years of flight performance?

    Or perhaps its the Captain’s friendship with Commander Syakumi and yourself? Perhaps that gives the Captain a free pass on her conduct. If my conduct is inappropriate how about seeing Captain Isidis’s CO and dealing with her unsubstantiated allegations against another officer, namely myself.

    There seem to be two groups of officers on this battlestar. One group is friendly personally with the commanders of this fleet and they earn rapid promotion.

    Others such as myself who built the 8th Squadron into an effective combat air arm are fired from their positions without adequate review and caste aside to make room for the elite clique that runs this military.

    Clearly merit and service record have nothing to do with advancement in this fleet.

    I have been promised by yourself and Captain Christenen a fair review process and FITREP scheduled for April 16, some six days hence.

    The time has come to prove if your words will be honored.

    I have fulfilled every duty assignment, from combat flight to CIC with vigor and energy. I have protected the lives of this fleet with every ounce of strength I have under difficult health circumstances.

    I am not afraid of threats concerning my discourse with an Officer outside the confines of my duties.

    These pages are no different than bitch sessions or sitting around in the ready room and complaining.

    If you choose to use them as part of a FITREP process where they have no place, then you are proving that you are not a fair commander.

    I do not believe this is true. I believe you will let the FITREP process go forward without interference and you will accept the results forwarded because they relate to my duties, not what I do in my quarters when I cruise the text wireless (Internet).

    I will never however be embarrassed or ashamed at defending myself from lies and slander, published by Captain Isidis.

    I am not going to go away and I will not stop defending myself. I will continue to do my work assignments as given to me by the command authority, yourself included.

    I think it may be time to talk privately about the indifference you showed as my Commanding Officer when I reported that I was being blackmailed and assaulted on the Battlestar Pacifica on numerous occasions, which I duly reported to you in writing.

    When the case against that criminal goes to trial, you may find your own conduct is questioned. Clearly when someone breaches security and gains access to my room for criminal purposes multiple times, AFTER I report the crime, someone in the command structure did not have my “six”.

    I will not stand up and say that my performance as XO of 8th Squadron was perfect. I will say I did the job to the satisfaction of Captain Alderson and that squadron readiness when you took over the squadron was higher than it is today.

    People do not automatically gain true respect merely by obtaining a title they earn it.

    I challenge you to go back and document my dismissal with facts, if you can find them. I am certain you will find very few facts to support your decision.

    Intellectual honesty asks the question:
    Did you dismiss a competent officer because of her job performance? If so, you can surely provide some proof. Or did you dismiss her because you didn’t like her, because perhaps you perceived her as a good leader who threatened your career path.

    I don’t expect honest answers to any of my questions. I do expect a fair review process based on job performance. Whether or not that happens says a lot about your leadership.

    The bottom line is I’m not a model pilot. I am very good at my job but I am opinionated, and sometimes talk too much.

    This reminds me of a pilot my Brother LT Yoel Laws of the Battlestar Mercury served with some years before the attacks on the colonies. Her name was LT Kera Thrace and her last posting was on the Battlestar Galactica. My brother spoke of her often. She did her job better than anyone else. She was no suck up though and expressed her opinion honestly, often to her own detriment.

    I hope since her command survived the attacks on the colonies she still lives and battles on. I think if we are fortunate enough to meet the Battlestar Galactica you will find her flying an as unapologetic as ever.

    I do not apologize for defending myself here. I do not deserve to be punished for that.

    You will notice that there is no response to Captain Isidis’s recent remarks. I find nothing new in them. It is easy to shut up and agree with command. What is harder but ultimately more rewarding is participating in a process that convinces command that other alternatives need consideration.

    Since this is a long essay, I will make it complete.

    1) I agree that pregnancy, especially my own has had a negative impact on squadron readiness. I did not reach this state as a willing participant.
    2) I agree that under the CCMC the military has a right to require pilots not get pregnant and separate pilots that violate that policy.
    3) I do not agree that it is legal, moral or appropriate to use chemicals to enforce this policy when clearly abstinence would suffice. I will endeavor to convince the quorum of this position to rescind the policy.

    Lieutenant Yevka Laws
    Longest serving 8th Squadron Pilot
    47th Air Wing
    Battlestar Pacifica

    OOC:
    {
    If I never existed or became a member of this simulator this controversy would have erupted. It was a mistake to use forced chemical contraception. Hopefully the owners of the simulator will recognize this mistake, admit it and back off on the policy. I am perfectly capable or remaining not pregnant without being forced to take this treatment.

    Two pilots have already refused the treatment and others may soon follow. Is that good for the simulator?

    As a Jew it is morally repugnant to me for any organization to force unnecessary medications into the bodies of its soldiers. What the US Army did to Heidi Stiglitz is abominable. I witnessed a friend dying from the side effects of this treatment not long after arriving in the United States from Russia.

    It is a disgusting, inexcusable twist to the role play and it makes me sad. Clearly in my view this falls into the category of forced role play which is supposedly against the rules of the simulator.

    I feel strongly about this issue. If you punish my character for taking a stand, or for defending herself against unprovoked attacks on these pages, it says bad things about you and this simulator.

    I did not ask Fluffy to comment. She has every right to do so. I did not ask her to write unsubstantiated personal attacks on me. She flamed me, I responded. That is what the records of these pages show.

    }

  48. Shaula `Bad Fluffy` Isidis said

    “I will never however be embarrassed or ashamed at defending myself from lies and slander, published by Captain Isidis.”

    Are you insane? You told me to heel, you called me a dog, and referred to our mutual Commander as my “Mistress.” You did all of these things before I ever spoke one word directed at you here, in response to my stating my general opinion on the issue of mandatory injections, which had nothing to do with you and was not negative or inflammatory in any way. THAT is what the records of these pages show, despite how you may try to twist it otherwise.

    You claim I have behaved inappropriately? The only thing I have said to you that might even pass as inappropriate is mentioning your various frak-ups. You consider the Commander’s order to be illegal and unlawful, and you refuse to obey. I would consider that a career-ending frak-up for most military personnel. You have belligerently insulted me without provocation, multiple times… I would consider that a frak-up. For me to briefly mention the hypocrisy of your initial attack in the way that I did is hardly an attack upon your career or record, and hardly a personal insult in the same vein as you have done to me, nor was it remotely uncalled for given the extremely insulting nature of what you said.

    “What qualifies Captain Isidis to evaluate my performance. Years of flight performance?”
    For the last time, Lieutenant, when have I said anything at all about your career? I’m not concerned with your flight performance in the least, my primary focus here is the fact that you have verbally attacked me out of the blue, for no reason other than my opinion conflicts with yours and supports a standing order that we are sworn to obey.

    “Yet you focus on me, merely for defending myself.” Ironically interesting, how you desperately attempt to portray yourself the victim. Even though the truth of the matter is that I’m the one who was initially attacked for no reason, as records show, I’m not allowed to defend myself from your slander?

  49. Onyx Syakumi said

    Lieutenant Laws:

    You clearly alluded that Captain Isidis is a dog and my slave without any provocation what-so-ever. Your conduct has been found unbecoming, and you will report to the brig until a Captain’s Mast is convened to determine what punishment will be administered to you for your actions here. This is an isolated incident from your seditious behavior and attempted invocation of mutiny within military ranks, which will be addressed at a later date and time.

    You are an Officer in the Colonial Fleet, and the conduct expected of you in how you act in a public venue has been violated in every way imaginable by your participation in this discussion.

    Commander Regina “Onyx” Syakumi
    CO, Battlestar Pacifica

    OOC:

    “If I never existed or became a member of this simulator this controversy would have erupted.”

    That’s a false speculation. You actually had very little to do with the decision, ICly or OOCly. Furthermore, no action was going to be taken against your character on account of the fact that she became pregnant as part of a designated storyline against her will, as well as the fact that she became pregnant before the order was issued. Instead of simply asking and clarifying that point ICly or OOCly, you decided to go off on an Out of Character temper tantrum over it.

    “It was a mistake to use forced chemical contraception. Hopefully the owners of the simulator will recognize this mistake, admit it and back off on the policy.”

    There is no policy of the Sim that has anything to do with chemical contraception. No one in the Admin or Ownership team has issued any such order. That order was made by a character within the Sim. Arguing this point Out of Character is as logical as stating that we should take Cylons out of the game because the genocide of the human race is a mistake. You need to learn the difference between IC and OOC in a serious way.

    “I am perfectly capable or remaining not pregnant without being forced to take this treatment.”

    I was not aware that anyone was forcing you, the person sitting behind the monitor, to take contraception to play in the Sim, Yevka. See, once again you fail to understand that you are not your character, and that this is an imaginary world that we are dealing with. To be honest, you press this “misunderstanding” to a very unhealthy level, such that I am genuinely concerned for you.

    “Two pilots have already refused the treatment and others may soon follow. Is that good for the simulator?”

    In the case of Rhys Nieuport, it is absolutely good for the Sim. Unlike yourself and Bethany Siemens, Rhys Nieuport understands that this is a story element in an imaginary world in which he happens to be writing a character. His character has been conscientiously objecting in as respectful a manner possible. He has not been slandering people Out of Character over it. He has been adding dynamic, interesting RP to the Sim that many people could become involved with if they so choose, and he should be commended for his quality Role-Play and healthy separation of IC and OOC.

    “As a Jew it is morally repugnant to me for any organization to force unnecessary medications into the bodies of its soldiers.”

    There are no Jews in the Colonial Fleet. Judaism is not a known religion to the Colonies. The only remotely recognizable form of faith that we have seen from the Battlestar Galactica television show is something along the lines of a Polytheistic, Greco-Roman Pantheon, which is also repugnant to your faith, which commands you to acknowledge and worship only a single, solitary God. Curiously enough, I have not heard you raise a peep about this fact.

    “What the US Army did to Heidi Stiglitz is abominable. I witnessed a friend dying from the side effects of this treatment not long after arriving in the United States from Russia.”

    Considering that millions of women in the United States and around the world are treated with synthetic progestogen on a daily basis, I’m going to have to call bullshit on that one. But even if that were true, it would have absolutely no relevance nor bearing on what happens in a fantasy world that we have all created solely in the domain of our imaginations, Yevka.

    “It is a disgusting, inexcusable twist to the role play and it makes me sad.”

    Yet you are completely fine watching a television show in which characters have openly advocated suicide bombing, genocide, and the execution of civilians in order to cannibalize their FTL drives and valuable personnel. I consider this a very selective application of your “morals.”

    “Clearly in my view this falls into the category of forced role play which is supposedly against the rules of the simulator.”

    Utilizing that same line of logic and reasoning, it is “forced role play” that your character is expected to wear a uniform. It is “forced role play” that your character is expected to render proper military courtesy to her superiors. It is “forced role play” that your character is expected to obey certain protocols during the prep, launch, flight, and landing of her Viper. Perhaps we should simply advocate anarchy in BSG47, rather than realistically seek to emulate a military environment as displayed on the show? I think there are other Battlestar-inspired Sims that are running with that concept right now, if you’re interested.

    “I feel strongly about this issue. If you punish my character for taking a stand, or for defending herself against unprovoked attacks on these pages, it says bad things about you and this simulator.”

    Your character will be treated precisely in the fashion that she has merited as a result of her conduct, and in precisely the same fashion that she would be treated in the television show for displaying the same variety of conduct. You yourself will be treated solely as a result of the conduct that you have displayed toward other people in this Sim OOC, which thus far has been nothing short of immature and personally insulting. What will not happen is that you will not successfully blackmail us into altering this treatment as a special consideration for you as an individual. Yourself and your character will be treated just as anyone else would be treated for showing the same conduct.

    “I did not ask Fluffy to comment.”

    No one asked you to comment, either.

    “She has every right to do so. I did not ask her to write unsubstantiated personal attacks on me. She flamed me, I responded. That is what the records of these pages show.”

    She did not write anything about you at all. She wrote her character’s words which were expressed toward your character.

    Your character called her character a slave and a dog. She responded to you with more dignity and self-control than any officer on the television show or in the real world would have, confronted with the same circumstance. Your character would have been lucky to walk away from such an unprecedented verbal assault against a superior officer.

    -Onyx

  50. yevkalaws said

    Bad Fluffy began this fight by accusing me of Frak ups. That was a directly commentary against me. You ignore it because she is your friend. Two standards in BSG47, one for your friends, one for everybody else.

    For the record, living in a country that has suffered thousands of casualties due to suicide bombings, I found this storyline quite problematic and made those views clear to the producers.

    I will report to the brig as ordered. Rest assured I will not go quietly, I will obtain legal representation and defend myself vigorously.

    The double standard you have established in BSG47 is unprecedented.

    I will not apologize for defending myself.

    I will not apologize for standing up against an immoral and illegal order.

    I will not apologize for encouraging Dr. Bailey from the immoral act of grounding a SAR rescue pilot grounded because she refused to take your drugs. That immoral decision should be passed right up the chain of command to you, who made it.

    OOC:
    You have proven yourself incapable of accepting constructive criticism. That is obvious. Go down your road Onyx you own the sim and are free to do as you please.

    Apparently there are two standards of behavior in the sim. The arrogant conduct of the owners of their friends and a different standard for others. Shame on you.

    You appointed a CAG and pushed her from barely adequate pilot to CAG because she’s sleeping with you,not due to her qualifications. Military procedure was not followed when I was fired. Apparently that only applies when you want it to apply.

    —–you say—-
    Utilizing that same line of logic and reasoning, it is “forced role play” that your character is expected to wear a uniform. It is “forced role play” that your character is expected to render proper military courtesy to her superiors. It is “forced role play” that your character is expected to obey certain protocols during the prep, launch, flight, and landing of her Viper. Perhaps we should simply advocate anarchy in BSG47, rather than realistically seek to emulate a military environment as displayed on the show? I think there are other Battlestar-inspired Sims that are running with that concept right now, if you’re interested.
    —–end comment—

    I agreed to wear the uniform. I did not agree to forced injection of chemicals into my system. Members of the US military have successfully refused such medication and been restored to rank and billet after winning their case in the court system.

    Lastly to the cannon and Judasim. I am quite aware of the fact that there are now Jews in BSG world. You might find it interesting to know several concepts from our Liturgy were taken into the show.

    Example: Adama, means earth in Hebrew.

    There are certain concepts that I can not accept IC or OOC because they are repugnant to me as a human being and a Jew. One of those is forced injection of un-needed medication. That was a practice used to little scientific value by a certain Dr. Joseph Mengele.

    You do not have a monopoly on knowledge and interpretation of the BSG cannon. You may find others know more than you.

    I don’t know where you came up with OPSEC, but you will recall that I supported you all the way and even created RP to support you.

    You may own the simulator and find a way to eject me. I request and deserve a right to meet with the admins and defend my case.

    Remember Bad Fluffy accused me of Frak ups. That is how this started. I have no respect for your little clique of officers because they did not earn their positions unless kissing your electronic a– constitutes earning something.

    Real respect is earned.

    I’m not afraid of you or the consequences of pissing you off. But I will not voluntarily leave BSG47. At least not yet.

    Yev

  51. Onyx Syakumi said

    OOC:

    “Bad Fluffy began this fight by accusing me of Frak ups. That was a directly commentary against me. You ignore it because she is your friend. Two standards in BSG47, one for your friends, one for everybody else.”

    Your character (at least, I think it was your character … I’m not sure anymore, since it seems she is you) began the fight between the two of your characters when her character was called a dog and a slave. You are patently insane if you deny this, as any rereading of the sequence of posts in this conversation will show.

    “For the record, living in a country that has suffered thousands of casualties due to suicide bombings, I found this storyline quite problematic and made those views clear to the producers.”

    It is the duty of storytellers to challenge their readers, viewers, and audiences. This has been a convention of Science Fiction in particular for decades, and any failure to understand the reason behind the presentation of these themes demonstrates incompetence. These themes are explored explicitly because of the fact that they are controversial … not because they are sanitary nor because they are “condoned” in any way.

    “I will report to the brig as ordered. Rest assured I will not go quietly, I will obtain legal representation and defend myself vigorously.”

    No, your character will report to the brig. You will stay at home, behind your keyboard, and be quite content in your cozy, presumably air-conditioned house. If your character resists, she will be forced. If she continues to resist, she will be shot.

    “The double standard you have established in BSG47 is unprecedented.”

    No, Yevka. The only double standard is that we have been too lenient with you in the past, and this is how you have repaid us ICly and OOCly. That time has come to an end, now.

    “I will not apologize for defending myself.”

    Your character won’t have to. You should not have been defending yourself against anything. Again, you show a fundamental lack of understanding the difference between IC and OOC, which is the absolute core of Role-Playing.

    “I will not apologize for standing up against an immoral and illegal order.”

    You didn’t. Your character did. If your morality entered into the equation at all, you failed as a Role-Player.

    “I will not apologize for encouraging Dr. Bailey from the immoral act of grounding a SAR rescue pilot grounded because she refused to take your drugs. That immoral decision should be passed right up the chain of command to you, who made it.”

    See above.

    “You have proven yourself incapable of accepting constructive criticism. That is obvious. Go down your road Onyx you own the sim and are free to do as you please.”

    I have not been incapable of accepting constructive criticism, Yevka. I am incapable of tolerating your insane ramblings any longer.

    “Apparently there are two standards of behavior in the sim. The arrogant conduct of the owners of their friends and a different standard for others. Shame on you.”

    No. The only disparity of behavior in this sim is that everyone gets along except for you and your elitist, power-hungry coven of friends. You are a cancer in BSG47. You infect everything you touch here.

    “You appointed a CAG and pushed her from barely adequate pilot to CAG because she’s sleeping with you, not due to her qualifications.”

    I have never met Dree’s player. She lives over 2000 miles away from me, so I find it difficult to believe that I have been sleeping with her. My character appointed Dree to CAG because she was the favored choice of the Admiral and my character. This was further compounded by the fact that the only other characters who could have taken the reigns were being played by 1.) an inactive player and 2.) an Italian player who did not have the time necessary to assume the role due to OOC reasons. Our characters have never had sex with one another, not that it’s any of your business, anyway.

    “Military procedure was not followed when I was fired. Apparently that only applies when you want it to apply.”

    My character was the Marine Commander when that happened, and I was not even in your direct chain of command. I do, however, stand by the ruling of the CAG and Admiral who were in your immediate chain of command that the CO has a right to select her XO, and that character did not want your character to continue to serve in that fashion.

    “I agreed to wear the uniform. I did not agree to forced injection of chemicals into my system. Members of the US military have successfully refused such medication and been restored to rank and billet after winning their case in the court system.”

    U.S. Military personnel are not fighting while on the run after their homeland was eradicated by nuclear weapons. Your character agreed to obey orders, and she has encouraged others to violate that agreement.

    “Lastly to the cannon and Judasim. I am quite aware of the fact that there are now Jews in BSG world. You might find it interesting to know several concepts from our Liturgy were taken into the show.”

    That has absolutely no relevance to this subject at all. You have failed to answer the point of the statement I made because you know that you are wrong. You object to the themes in the imaginary world because of your real life religion. This is a violation of the most important rule of Role-Playing, which is the separation of IC and OOC.

    “There are certain concepts that I can not accept IC or OOC because they are repugnant to me as a human being and a Jew.”

    Then you have no business Role-Playing with mature adults in a maturely-themed game world.

    “One of those is forced injection of un-needed medication. That was a practice used to little scientific value by a certain Dr. Joseph Mengele.”

    Explain to me what relevance this has to the universe of Battlestar Galactica.

    “You do not have a monopoly on knowledge and interpretation of the BSG cannon. You may find others know more than you.”

    Nor do I claim to. I simply know that you are violating the most basic tenant of Role-Playing by violating the golden rule: keep IC and OOC separate.

    “You may own the simulator and find a way to eject me. I request and deserve a right to meet with the admins and defend my case.”

    I don’t have to “find” a way to eject you, Yevka. If it was my intention to unilateraly eject you from the Sim, I’d have done it and nothing would have stopped me.

    “Remember Bad Fluffy accused me of Frak ups. That is how this started.”

    Her character posted a response to your character calling her a dog and a slave.

    “I have no respect for your little clique of officers because they did not earn their positions unless kissing your electronic a– constitutes earning something.”

    Now we come to the root of why you are so angry, Yevka. This is the real reason behind all of this, isn’t it! You’re mad. You’re pissed off Out of Character, and dammit, you’re gonna vent that, aren’t you! Thank you, Yevka. Thank you for giving me all the case I need in the world to simply show that you and your little clique of ass-kissing friends are only up in arms because you were not granted a swindled deal into power in this Sim. Your attempts at manipulating the system were stopped by others, and I had no part of it at the time. But damn, I am glad they did it, judging by all that you have shown us now.

    “Real respect is earned.”

    Disrespect is also earned. You have earned it.

    “I’m not afraid of you or the consequences of pissing you off. But I will not voluntarily leave BSG47. At least not yet.”

    I don’t ask that you fear me, Yevka. I want to have a constructive and positive relationship with every player in the region. I will not tolearate insolent twits who only want to stir the pot and sew dischord and chaos in the Sim that we all know and love because their grand plan for an ascension to power was thwarted. If you want to bitch and scream at someone, go say it to Angelica and Heidi. Their characters were responsible for the decision to appoint Dree as the CO of the Frakheads over you. For the record, though, I support their decision entirely. Thank god they made that call.

    -Onyx

  52. yevkalaws said

    Prior to being able to report as ordered to the brig, I was informed that I was being removed from the colonial military without trial or hearing.

    I was in the civilian fleet at the time and remain there awaiting the birth of my child.

    OOC: I was rejected from all groups.

    I loved most every moment I spent in the simulator. It was wonderful. I had a great time, even when being treated unfairly.

    I made friends and learned a lot.

    I will not be deleting any of you from my SL friends list.

    Please feel free to reach out to me any time. If you ever need me, I’m there for you.

    Regards,

    Yevka Laws

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